Comments on: Jim Cooper, Conservative Democrat?

By: StephC

StephC — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:30:17 +0000

I don’t know if there will be a bloodbath or not, yet, Charlotte. I think people are waking up to the fact that what they thought Obama promised, he didn’t really promised. We tried to tell them but no, no, no. Bush was evil… not misguided, just downright evil.

And truth to tell, I believe we had to go through this for people to realize that this is not the way. It would have been as bad with McCain, only slower.

By: Charlotte

Charlotte — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:09:53 +0000

Another good point, StephC….

“Any company who doesn’t play footsie with the government will be run out of business.”

This appears to be the modus operandi for the entire current administration. Business is threatened, then used, and then thrown under the bus. Villifying business while glorifying government intervention is rather stupid given that the government has never run anything successfully EVER. Then it’s another program to “fix” and then another program to “fix.”

I think it is a given that the jobless rate will be very high next year. I believe that this administration plays on the ignorance of voters. They had best be careful. I believe there will be a total bloodbath of the Dims if they continue to pass laws that put the country into massive debt for a program that most people do not want.

The people who vote for this healthcare bill should (if there is ANY justice at all) burn in hell for what they are doing to our great country.

By: StephC

StephC — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:50:27 +0000

I don’t think it was a sop to the insurance companies, BB. Guess it doesn’t hurt some of them but it’s all about power and control.

The cheapest plan under the house bill is $15,000/ year. That’s a huge chunk of some paychecks there and if you don’t pay it, you’re toast. Nor will you be able to buy just any plan to escape the hand cuffs as all plans will be determined by federal mandate. Any company who doesn’t play footsie with the government will be run out of business.

Good find on that article. I’m going to have to go back to that for a possible blog topic.

By: BB-Idaho

BB-Idaho — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:30:53 +0000

"Yes, I believe that an argument could be made to the effect that people who are jailed for not buying insurance could be considered political prisoners. Debtor Prisons were outlawed in the US back in the 1830s. Thanks, Charles Dickens) But they have made a comeback ..dumb idea, unconstitutional as well. Seems obvious the idea of fining poor people who cannot afford health insurance was put in the bill as a sop to (drum roll) the health insurance industry.

By: Charlotte

Charlotte — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:18:36 +0000

Yes, I believe that an argument could be made to the effect that people who are jailed for not buying insurance could be considered political prisoners.

WOW!! I can’t believe that this is happening in the USA. The land of the free!!! HELLO!!

I don’t think that Congress cares about ANYTHING other than power, power, and more power. They sure aren’t worried about healthcare since they will continue to get their own healthcare through a system which will now be denied to the unwashed masses.
But we know we will have great healthcare because it’s run by the government…right?

They apparently aren’t worried about spending money that they don’t have. And they don’t seem worried about the inflation and unemployment that are going to continue to rise.

Americans are willing to take a lot, but this sort of arrogance is really unbelievable. Especially by elected officials. Last time I checked, they are supposed to be accountable to the people they are governing, not acting like they are better than us and know what is better for us.

I hate them all. They earned it.

And the AP is upset because Americans are so depressed and down. MY GOD!!! Are these people totally clueless? Do they live in another world? They sure don’t live in reality.

By: StephC

StephC — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:24:09 +0000

Well, Charlotte, I focused on the other issues in the bill because that one has been well documented. You’re right that it will come to that. What the politicians say and what actually happens are fairly far removed from each other.

Here’s something to think about on the clauses that tell us we’ll go to jail if we don’t obtain a government approved health insurance plan: Convicts lose the right to vote along with all their other freedoms.

Wouldn’t that make of people so jailed political prisoners?

Does Congress care?

By: Charlotte

Charlotte — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:01:18 +0000

The government doesn’t want to really run healthcare…it just wants to run our lives. Every single facet must be controlled. Period. And when it doesn’t work, they will justify more interventions to “fix” (i.e. making more and more laws in interfere with our lives).

Death panels will be the order of the day. This is NOT a lie, contrary to popular belief. If you smoke and get cancer, it’s the pills for you. (blue or red?) Healthcare won’t be for you. (even if you have paid into the system all your life) Government counseling about all the money you will save the government when you die, and the fact that you need to die for the good of everyone else will be the order of the day for you.

But abortions? Those will be covered and each one of us will be mandated to pay a tax so that there will be a pool of monies for those. The government forcing all of us to pay for them…with no option to state: this is evil. This is murder.

Will hospice be in charge of the death panels? They got good experience with Terri Schiavo, so I am sure they are on the list of people to profit.

By: StephC

StephC — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:33:39 +0000

Mexico has cash only doctors. I think we need some like that. I go to the doc for check ups every 3-6 months. Costs me about $100 between the visit and medication refills. That’s not good enough for the government. It must be made “affordable” and I’m wondering by whose standards.

By: BB-Idaho

BB-Idaho — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:22:23 +0000

Well dang! 1900 pages of gov’t healthcare! Thats almost as much as my policy!
I don’t understand that jailing or fining folks who cannot afford healthcare..but it sure sounds like it beats advertising for big H. ins. especially if there is no public option. Big signs, huh…Blue Cross or JAIL! Yep, our system now is OK, they can only take your house, car and bank account…and that is private business.
A pox on the whole business, gonna join the Maine Militia
“Did you know that administrative costs are the largest portion of your health bill?” I kinda think so, since I never go to the Dr., or clinic, or hospital..just pay
big private health insurance $1000 a month. If I get sick, gonna go offshore, I tell ya…

By: StephC

StephC — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:11:12 +0000

That about sums it up, BB. And you’ll still have to pay a deductible and co-pay and so forth and so on and maybe even for abortions and the like.

Plus, they’ll tell you what you can and can’t eat, raise your taxes, put you in jail if you can’t afford all their mandates, and make the states raise your taxes even more to pay matching funds.

And have a 6 month waiting period for preexisting conditions if you have to change plans because your existing one is not acceptable.

Basically the whole thing is 7000+ sections of bad mandates.

Did you know that administrative costs are the largest portion of your health bill? I think we ought to have an option to pay the docs out of pocket for a discount since the administrative costs would be reduced greatly from not having to file paperwork to get paid.