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		<title>By: StephC</title>
		<link>http://hillbillypolitics.com/2009/05/28/opposite-land-random-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-5797</link>
		<dc:creator>StephC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;after 31 years, still a newcomer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s a reason for that, especially if you came there as an adult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>after 31 years, still a newcomer.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason for that, especially if you came there as an adult.</p>
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		<title>By: BB-Idaho</title>
		<link>http://hillbillypolitics.com/2009/05/28/opposite-land-random-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-5792</link>
		<dc:creator>BB-Idaho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Idaho is a bit odd, sort of a newer state, lot of immigrants.  Actually we have a lot of southerners and their descendents, dating back to the mining days..then the Idaho-California connection and a very strong Idaho-Alaska connection (re: Sarah Palin, etc).
We have our hillbillys as well: I got run off some property when I was looking for a camp site, young lady with three hounds and a single-shot 22 pointed at my nose!   I can&#039;t speak for the Volunteer state, my only
clue being the Montgomery Clift movie &#039;Wild River&#039;..and
getting turned around in the interchange on the Mississip bridge out of Memphis..crossed it three times before I could finally get out of state.  I am sure
Tennessee hill folk meet our standards...heck they took me from the northwoods by Lake Superior...but they still think I talk with an &#039;accent&#039;...after 31 years, still a newcomer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Idaho is a bit odd, sort of a newer state, lot of immigrants.  Actually we have a lot of southerners and their descendents, dating back to the mining days..then the Idaho-California connection and a very strong Idaho-Alaska connection (re: Sarah Palin, etc).<br />
We have our hillbillys as well: I got run off some property when I was looking for a camp site, young lady with three hounds and a single-shot 22 pointed at my nose!   I can&#8217;t speak for the Volunteer state, my only<br />
clue being the Montgomery Clift movie &#8216;Wild River&#8217;..and<br />
getting turned around in the interchange on the Mississip bridge out of Memphis..crossed it three times before I could finally get out of state.  I am sure<br />
Tennessee hill folk meet our standards&#8230;heck they took me from the northwoods by Lake Superior&#8230;but they still think I talk with an &#8216;accent&#8217;&#8230;after 31 years, still a newcomer.</p>
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		<title>By: StephC</title>
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		<dc:creator>StephC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee... nice to know Idaho has even tougher standards on people from the south or the hills. Remind me never to move there,  :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee&#8230; nice to know Idaho has even tougher standards on people from the south or the hills. Remind me never to move there,  <img src='http://hillbillypolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BB-Idaho</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB-Idaho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even to this day, my IQ drops 20 points because I’m southern with southern roots. It drops another 20 when it’s discovered that I’m a hillbilly on top of the other.&quot;  ..if ya lived in the potato state it would drop about 60!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even to this day, my IQ drops 20 points because I’m southern with southern roots. It drops another 20 when it’s discovered that I’m a hillbilly on top of the other.&#8221;  ..if ya lived in the potato state it would drop about 60!</p>
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		<title>By: StephC</title>
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		<dc:creator>StephC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 01:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Joe, iirc, Obama is only about 1/4 black... or of African descent, whichever you prefer. IIRC, his grandfather on his father&#039;s side was Arab, Arabs aren&#039;t black, they&#039;re caucasians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Joe, iirc, Obama is only about 1/4 black&#8230; or of African descent, whichever you prefer. IIRC, his grandfather on his father&#8217;s side was Arab, Arabs aren&#8217;t black, they&#8217;re caucasians.</p>
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		<title>By: StephC</title>
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		<dc:creator>StephC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 01:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, it&#039;s not the conversation about Blacks that bothers me. It&#039;s the attitude that Blacks are the only one to experience negative stereotypes; the only ones to have experienced discrimination.

Even to this day, my IQ drops 20 points because I&#039;m southern with southern roots. It drops another 20 when it&#039;s discovered that I&#039;m a hillbilly on top of the other.

I grew up poor as dirt. I didn&#039;t really get the experience of indoor plumbing until I was an adult. We farmed patches of land you could spit across and survived on it. Where I come from there was no difference between a poor black and a poor white. We did for each other the same as anybody else.

You talk about the &quot;black experience&quot; as if it is something unique but it isn&#039;t as unique as you seem to think. What afflicts the black population is prevalent among all the poor, no matter their skin color. 

You think whites don&#039;t get told the same things blacks get told when it comes to &quot;spreading the wealth&quot; , expect it ain&#039;t called black privilege to them, it&#039;s called you&#039;re white and privileged. You think a poor white person wants to hear something like that when the government has made them so dependent they can no longer do for themselves?   I can listen to stories that are told about this or that in the black community and identify those same stories with what happens in the hills where I come from and there aren&#039;t that many black people in the hills there.

There is no such thing as white privilege. It&#039;s a made up concept to keep people down, angry, and dependent. 

And now, both whites and blacks are racist against Latinas. The only problem is, most of us aren&#039;t at all racist, simply against illegal immigration because illegals are outside the law that the rest of us have to follow; treated as &quot;more equal&quot; than people who were born here and have to jump through all the governmental hoops that they seem to be able to get around.

When you can&#039;t, or refuse to, step out of your own experiences, your own little world, regardless of color, you&#039;ll never see that. Life is what you make of it. That goes for any color, any culture. Everything else is just an excuse.

I agree we need to have a conversation about race. The problem is one side doesn&#039;t want to listen to the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, it&#8217;s not the conversation about Blacks that bothers me. It&#8217;s the attitude that Blacks are the only one to experience negative stereotypes; the only ones to have experienced discrimination.</p>
<p>Even to this day, my IQ drops 20 points because I&#8217;m southern with southern roots. It drops another 20 when it&#8217;s discovered that I&#8217;m a hillbilly on top of the other.</p>
<p>I grew up poor as dirt. I didn&#8217;t really get the experience of indoor plumbing until I was an adult. We farmed patches of land you could spit across and survived on it. Where I come from there was no difference between a poor black and a poor white. We did for each other the same as anybody else.</p>
<p>You talk about the &#8220;black experience&#8221; as if it is something unique but it isn&#8217;t as unique as you seem to think. What afflicts the black population is prevalent among all the poor, no matter their skin color. </p>
<p>You think whites don&#8217;t get told the same things blacks get told when it comes to &#8220;spreading the wealth&#8221; , expect it ain&#8217;t called black privilege to them, it&#8217;s called you&#8217;re white and privileged. You think a poor white person wants to hear something like that when the government has made them so dependent they can no longer do for themselves?   I can listen to stories that are told about this or that in the black community and identify those same stories with what happens in the hills where I come from and there aren&#8217;t that many black people in the hills there.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as white privilege. It&#8217;s a made up concept to keep people down, angry, and dependent. </p>
<p>And now, both whites and blacks are racist against Latinas. The only problem is, most of us aren&#8217;t at all racist, simply against illegal immigration because illegals are outside the law that the rest of us have to follow; treated as &#8220;more equal&#8221; than people who were born here and have to jump through all the governmental hoops that they seem to be able to get around.</p>
<p>When you can&#8217;t, or refuse to, step out of your own experiences, your own little world, regardless of color, you&#8217;ll never see that. Life is what you make of it. That goes for any color, any culture. Everything else is just an excuse.</p>
<p>I agree we need to have a conversation about race. The problem is one side doesn&#8217;t want to listen to the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

Never feel that you are stepping on my comments...I like to hear from everyone...I wish more of the old gang from &quot;Hangright&quot; would show up more often.....Steph is right about me I do talk about color a lot and I make my proclamations at the end of my comments...I guess I just can&#039;t help myself....I believe the conversation about race is one that we need to have....it is sometimes an uncomfortable conversation but still one we need to have because if we don&#039;t then it will be like the old south that you knew ....&quot;you didn&#039;t talk about it, that was just the way it was&quot;....You see where that got us....


The revolution has been televised.....Black in America Baby....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Never feel that you are stepping on my comments&#8230;I like to hear from everyone&#8230;I wish more of the old gang from &#8220;Hangright&#8221; would show up more often&#8230;..Steph is right about me I do talk about color a lot and I make my proclamations at the end of my comments&#8230;I guess I just can&#8217;t help myself&#8230;.I believe the conversation about race is one that we need to have&#8230;.it is sometimes an uncomfortable conversation but still one we need to have because if we don&#8217;t then it will be like the old south that you knew &#8230;.&#8221;you didn&#8217;t talk about it, that was just the way it was&#8221;&#8230;.You see where that got us&#8230;.</p>
<p>The revolution has been televised&#8230;..Black in America Baby&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce--if you do not mind me stepping in on your comment directed towards Steph, I would like to say that you have made a good point regarding what you call &quot;Black&quot;. However, I, being from the (So-Called Prejudice South) at a time lived hand in hand with numerous &quot;Poor Folk&quot; Black and White that felt the ire of those more fortunate. The &quot;High Class&quot; were colorblind, and their attacks, and attitude showed no preference to color. Me and my &quot;Black&quot; friends stood together--we had something in common--POOR. Maybe that is why I have a hard time when color is brought into any discussion--I shared the same scrutiny as my friends (Other than color), and were looked down upon by those that would judge by position in life, or the Color of your skin. When MLK was shot I lived in S.C.  the impact from this act spewed into many communities, however, there was no &quot;Fear&quot; in my family or others, why, because those of different color &quot;Black&quot; knew that we were socially &quot;one&quot;--The tension between Black and White live only is the Hearts of those that would keep that fire burning. By the way--My President is neither Black nor White (Totally)--but you are right--A Revolution is Coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce&#8211;if you do not mind me stepping in on your comment directed towards Steph, I would like to say that you have made a good point regarding what you call &#8220;Black&#8221;. However, I, being from the (So-Called Prejudice South) at a time lived hand in hand with numerous &#8220;Poor Folk&#8221; Black and White that felt the ire of those more fortunate. The &#8220;High Class&#8221; were colorblind, and their attacks, and attitude showed no preference to color. Me and my &#8220;Black&#8221; friends stood together&#8211;we had something in common&#8211;POOR. Maybe that is why I have a hard time when color is brought into any discussion&#8211;I shared the same scrutiny as my friends (Other than color), and were looked down upon by those that would judge by position in life, or the Color of your skin. When MLK was shot I lived in S.C.  the impact from this act spewed into many communities, however, there was no &#8220;Fear&#8221; in my family or others, why, because those of different color &#8220;Black&#8221; knew that we were socially &#8220;one&#8221;&#8211;The tension between Black and White live only is the Hearts of those that would keep that fire burning. By the way&#8211;My President is neither Black nor White (Totally)&#8211;but you are right&#8211;A Revolution is Coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steph,

I didn&#039;t check my spelling on my last comment please excuse some of my errors and try to read tthrough them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steph,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t check my spelling on my last comment please excuse some of my errors and try to read tthrough them</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steph,

So help me out here, as you know I am a simple man and obviously my choice  of words is not definative enough....what word should I use to say that the things I mentioned (ie the economy, the wars, the nuclear proliferation) were already the situation when Obama took office without placing blame or fault....please help me out with that word......

You come across as this was a perfect country while the republicans were in power and now this man comes along that hates everything about this country and wants to literally destroy it....he hates the constitution....he does not love this country or its people....Steph do you really believe that...Just because a father on one family spanks his children for discipline and another gives his child a time-out for discipline it does not mean that either one of them loves his child any less than the other and it certainly doesn&#039;t one of them, take your pick, hates his child...Just because Obama&#039;s methodology is not what you agree with does not mean that he hates this country or its people....this talk about hate is the very fear mongering that I have been talking about....

And to your comment about his race....you said....

&quot;What if he weren’t the right color to suit you? What if he were blonde haired, blue eyed, pasty white? What then? I’d still fill the same about what’s happening but somehow I doubt you would.&quot;

Steph, I am 56 years old this in not the first election that I have voted in and not the first president I supported (I even voted republican a couple of times) and if am not mistaken they were all white....correct me if I am wrong......! Get my point on that one.....

And yes Steph I do talk about race a lot and I talk about religion......I still say that Romney was the best conservative candidate out there he knows business he even ran the Olympics and made a profit his knowledge in this economy would have worked well but he didn&#039;t win because he couldn&#039;t win a southern state..you know the bible belt because he was Morman.....and If you think I am bad you should hear my mother....every time I talk with her she says &quot;what do you think about that Obama&quot; &quot;I never thought I would live to see the day a Black man would be president&quot; and she goes on....there is just a sense of pride about it and I am sorry you don&#039;t understand.....

And those comments about him not being black enough were not about his skin color at all it was about his &quot;experience&quot;.....I&#039;ve said before my youngest daughter is adopted....Her biological mother is white and bio father is black...they were barely teenagers the mom was 12 and the dad 14....my daughter &quot;looks&quot; white but is the blackest kid in my family...by the way I caught a lot of grief from people because they thought I was adopting a white child and a black family adopting a white child that shouldn&#039;t happen in this country.....one day there was a fight on my daughters school bus...the driver made all of the black kids get off the bus....my daughter got off too..the driver asked her why she said I&#039;m black too.....It wasn&#039;t here skin coplor that made her black....Obama was raided by his white mother from kansas and his white grandparents in Hawaii...the concern was his experience not his skin color...well I rambling......

The revolution has been televised......Black in America Baby.....My president is Black</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steph,</p>
<p>So help me out here, as you know I am a simple man and obviously my choice  of words is not definative enough&#8230;.what word should I use to say that the things I mentioned (ie the economy, the wars, the nuclear proliferation) were already the situation when Obama took office without placing blame or fault&#8230;.please help me out with that word&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>You come across as this was a perfect country while the republicans were in power and now this man comes along that hates everything about this country and wants to literally destroy it&#8230;.he hates the constitution&#8230;.he does not love this country or its people&#8230;.Steph do you really believe that&#8230;Just because a father on one family spanks his children for discipline and another gives his child a time-out for discipline it does not mean that either one of them loves his child any less than the other and it certainly doesn&#8217;t one of them, take your pick, hates his child&#8230;Just because Obama&#8217;s methodology is not what you agree with does not mean that he hates this country or its people&#8230;.this talk about hate is the very fear mongering that I have been talking about&#8230;.</p>
<p>And to your comment about his race&#8230;.you said&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;What if he weren’t the right color to suit you? What if he were blonde haired, blue eyed, pasty white? What then? I’d still fill the same about what’s happening but somehow I doubt you would.&#8221;</p>
<p>Steph, I am 56 years old this in not the first election that I have voted in and not the first president I supported (I even voted republican a couple of times) and if am not mistaken they were all white&#8230;.correct me if I am wrong&#8230;&#8230;! Get my point on that one&#8230;..</p>
<p>And yes Steph I do talk about race a lot and I talk about religion&#8230;&#8230;I still say that Romney was the best conservative candidate out there he knows business he even ran the Olympics and made a profit his knowledge in this economy would have worked well but he didn&#8217;t win because he couldn&#8217;t win a southern state..you know the bible belt because he was Morman&#8230;..and If you think I am bad you should hear my mother&#8230;.every time I talk with her she says &#8220;what do you think about that Obama&#8221; &#8220;I never thought I would live to see the day a Black man would be president&#8221; and she goes on&#8230;.there is just a sense of pride about it and I am sorry you don&#8217;t understand&#8230;..</p>
<p>And those comments about him not being black enough were not about his skin color at all it was about his &#8220;experience&#8221;&#8230;..I&#8217;ve said before my youngest daughter is adopted&#8230;.Her biological mother is white and bio father is black&#8230;they were barely teenagers the mom was 12 and the dad 14&#8230;.my daughter &#8220;looks&#8221; white but is the blackest kid in my family&#8230;by the way I caught a lot of grief from people because they thought I was adopting a white child and a black family adopting a white child that shouldn&#8217;t happen in this country&#8230;..one day there was a fight on my daughters school bus&#8230;the driver made all of the black kids get off the bus&#8230;.my daughter got off too..the driver asked her why she said I&#8217;m black too&#8230;..It wasn&#8217;t here skin coplor that made her black&#8230;.Obama was raided by his white mother from kansas and his white grandparents in Hawaii&#8230;the concern was his experience not his skin color&#8230;well I rambling&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>The revolution has been televised&#8230;&#8230;Black in America Baby&#8230;..My president is Black</p>
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