Comments on: Sojurner Into Socialized Medicine

By: James

James — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:19:18 +0000

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By: hillbilly

hillbilly — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:13:19 +0000

BB, I’ll get to that tomorrow but I believe it is the one. Unlike the masses who worship Obama, I haven’t agreed with Bush on everything he has done. Nor will I agree with McCain.

But Obama… if you don’t act as if he’s perfect, you will find yourself silenced. He has already tried it going so far as to demand the DOJ do something about it. His arrogance is unbelievable.

By: BB-Idaho

BB-Idaho — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:40:52 +0000

This congressional cap, to which you refer..is?
http://www.rehabpub.com/RMN/2007-11-12_04.asp
http://www.cap.org/apps/cap.portal?_nfpb=true&cntvwrPtlt_actionOverride=%2Fportlets%2FcontentViewer%2Fshow&_windowLabel=cntvwrPtlt&cntvwrPtlt%7BactionForm.contentReference%7D=statline%2Fspecial_report_proposed_physician_payment_passes.html&_state=maximized&_pageLabel=cntvwr
..which raised the cap and was signed by President
Bush?

By: hillbilly

hillbilly — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:58:35 +0000

the .04 comes from something I heard on a news program in passing and it was specifically talking about government subsidized healthcare not overall healthcare including the private sector.

Yeah, I’d like to pay about half too but you know why we pay so much? Because the Democratic Congress set the cap.

By: BB-Idaho

BB-Idaho — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:21:37 +0000

Yes. $.04 to the dollar. Where does that figure come from? Consider:
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
with respect to
http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm010307oth.cfm
The data shows we currently have the most expensive healthcare in the world, far and away: and we rank 37th in what we pay for. Those are the facts which are driving the majority of physicians, businesses and us citizens towards universal healthcare. Dunno about you, but I would be in favor of paying about half what we pay (like Germany or France) for a far better system.

By: hillbilly

hillbilly — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:06:32 +0000

I you think you’re paying more fo rit now… remember…

$.04 to the dollar, BB.

By: BB-Idaho

BB-Idaho — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:47:56 +0000

Hard to say about doctors. Just heard from one of my daughters; has excellent health insurance and is in fine health. No doctors in her area are taking new patients. You may be right: we have socialized medicine already…we just pay much more for it.

By: hillbilly

hillbilly — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:43:37 +0000

I agree with you on health insurance companies. 47 million aren’t uninsured by inability to get insurance. A great many of them don’t get it by choice, i.e. the yunguns who don’t think about getting sick.

Yeah, some of us are and there are options that we can choose from, but it’s not the best care in the world. So, instead of fixing it, they make more people experience the same so “we’re all in this together.” Well, that is, everybody but the ones who are dictating and arranging the whole thing.

About those doctors, do they get a guaranteed fee or will they have to work for a living? I guess if I was a doctor and was guaranteed a certain income regardless of competency, I’d be for universal healthcare, too.

By: BB-Idaho

BB-Idaho — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:26:45 +0000

So, if there are no charity or gov’t sponsored clinics,
where do those without health insurance or a ton of
$$$$ go? We pay about $6000 per capita, compared with an average in Europe of $3000 per capita. But
47 million of us are uncovered. It is a mess, it is indefensible, it doesn’t work. I guess it’s the cure
people argue about. If you skim
http://www.pillsburylaw.com/bv/bvisapi.dll/portal/ep/paPubDetail.do/pub/200872392822437/channelId/-8595/tabId/5/pageTypeId/9208
you will find that most doctors and businesses are
for some type of universal care. My personal experience with clinics, doctors & nurses has been
very good (it helps to be healthy, of course)….but my experience with health insurance companies has been absolutely disgusting. Last go-round, I had to ask for the area supervisor, request a phone record from January and deal with people in Toronto before
they would budge. Not a fan, and won’t name the
company….they are all alike…in it for ONE reason.

By: hillbilly

hillbilly — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:19:57 +0000

BB, I admit I only skimmed it and the reason why is the clinic in the above experience is run by Vandy. Imagine that, a conservative at Vandy advocating universal healthcare.

Since there are several of them I won’t mention this one by name. It’s not the doctor’s fault, it’s the peripheral staff that are the problem.

His argument is the same talking points that are used by others arguing for it; nothing new. Plus he doesn’t even look at it in the form it is in right now with state and federally sponsored health clinics throughout the nation. Throwing money at it and making it universal is not going to make it work any better.