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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s next with immigration?</title>
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		<title>By: hillbilly</title>
		<link>http://hillbillypolitics.com/2007/06/08/whats-next-with-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-773</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBIdaha, I agree with you. No matter how we look at it, it&#039;s going to be costly and agonizing. However, we need to work toward the least costly and least agonzing for middle America... because it&#039;s shrinking fast. While I don&#039;t envy the rich their riches, I don&#039;t think the rich should have power over my money while safeguarding theirs... if that makes sense.

Goat, McConnell gave him such a smack down, I just laughed, but McConnell wants this bill to pass too and I can only imagine why. Yes, he voted against it as did most of the others because his constituents and theirs made such a furor they had no choice unless they wanted to wave good-bye to their political careers.

The truth is... and they&#039;ve made it very plain... they don&#039;t want to secure the border. I read that bill until my eyes crossed and saw all the contradictions and loopholes they included.  We told our leaders what we want in a bill but relatively little was put into it and they kept freezing out amendments to our benefit.

I believe the feeling about that bill was/is of such magnitude that many of those leaders who initially voted for it but changed their minds only under extreme pressure are still going to have a hard time come the elections in spite of the fact they did the right thing in the end. They broke trust and we know once trust is broken it&#039;s extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get it back. I know I&#039;m going to have a hard time choosing Alexander when the elections roll around. Corker, on the other hand, kept his campaign promises, in spite of being the junior Senator.

In AZ, the papers don&#039;t even call Kyl Senator when they speak of him. The last article I read called him &quot;Mr.&quot; Kyl. They&#039;ll all be watching their step now.

The businesses aren&#039;t thinking either. Middle America are the consumers for most of their products. I think that needs to be our next step... avoiding those businesses who hire more illegal aliens than citizens, such as ConAgra and Walmart for starters. I know there are a host of them out there. I believe Tyson is one here in TN. If we stop buying the products that make them so much money, perhaps they&#039;ll think about what they&#039;re doing as well.

In the late 70s and 80s there was a national pride movement &quot;Made in America&quot;. Perhaps it&#039;s time to revive it in a slightly different form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBIdaha, I agree with you. No matter how we look at it, it&#8217;s going to be costly and agonizing. However, we need to work toward the least costly and least agonzing for middle America&#8230; because it&#8217;s shrinking fast. While I don&#8217;t envy the rich their riches, I don&#8217;t think the rich should have power over my money while safeguarding theirs&#8230; if that makes sense.</p>
<p>Goat, McConnell gave him such a smack down, I just laughed, but McConnell wants this bill to pass too and I can only imagine why. Yes, he voted against it as did most of the others because his constituents and theirs made such a furor they had no choice unless they wanted to wave good-bye to their political careers.</p>
<p>The truth is&#8230; and they&#8217;ve made it very plain&#8230; they don&#8217;t want to secure the border. I read that bill until my eyes crossed and saw all the contradictions and loopholes they included.  We told our leaders what we want in a bill but relatively little was put into it and they kept freezing out amendments to our benefit.</p>
<p>I believe the feeling about that bill was/is of such magnitude that many of those leaders who initially voted for it but changed their minds only under extreme pressure are still going to have a hard time come the elections in spite of the fact they did the right thing in the end. They broke trust and we know once trust is broken it&#8217;s extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get it back. I know I&#8217;m going to have a hard time choosing Alexander when the elections roll around. Corker, on the other hand, kept his campaign promises, in spite of being the junior Senator.</p>
<p>In AZ, the papers don&#8217;t even call Kyl Senator when they speak of him. The last article I read called him &#8220;Mr.&#8221; Kyl. They&#8217;ll all be watching their step now.</p>
<p>The businesses aren&#8217;t thinking either. Middle America are the consumers for most of their products. I think that needs to be our next step&#8230; avoiding those businesses who hire more illegal aliens than citizens, such as ConAgra and Walmart for starters. I know there are a host of them out there. I believe Tyson is one here in TN. If we stop buying the products that make them so much money, perhaps they&#8217;ll think about what they&#8217;re doing as well.</p>
<p>In the late 70s and 80s there was a national pride movement &#8220;Made in America&#8221;. Perhaps it&#8217;s time to revive it in a slightly different form.</p>
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		<title>By: Goat</title>
		<link>http://hillbillypolitics.com/2007/06/08/whats-next-with-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Goat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 03:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle Malkin live blogeed fro the Senate floor during the debates, the yeas and nays are very interesting for sure. McCain has blown any chance of getting the nomination and the base is wide awake and stirred up like a hornet&#039;s nest that he and Bush just poked. Once we can trust Congress on security then we can move forward on some way to deal with those already here. We definately do not need to offer any incentive to get here soon as amnesty is coming type position either. I proud that Sen McConnel , Mitch slapped Reid all over the floor. 
BB, Vdare is a good site, and while I agree with you to an extent, the trades are having a hard time finding labor and can support something once they secure the borders and other laws on the books already. A Shamnesty shovedown was all this bill was and disgraceful but it offered us a glimpse behind the door and now the foot and leg are in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle Malkin live blogeed fro the Senate floor during the debates, the yeas and nays are very interesting for sure. McCain has blown any chance of getting the nomination and the base is wide awake and stirred up like a hornet&#8217;s nest that he and Bush just poked. Once we can trust Congress on security then we can move forward on some way to deal with those already here. We definately do not need to offer any incentive to get here soon as amnesty is coming type position either. I proud that Sen McConnel , Mitch slapped Reid all over the floor.<br />
BB, Vdare is a good site, and while I agree with you to an extent, the trades are having a hard time finding labor and can support something once they secure the borders and other laws on the books already. A Shamnesty shovedown was all this bill was and disgraceful but it offered us a glimpse behind the door and now the foot and leg are in.</p>
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		<title>By: BB-Idaho</title>
		<link>http://hillbillypolitics.com/2007/06/08/whats-next-with-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>BB-Idaho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The business/labor factor is summarized well here http://www.vdare.com/fulford/usa_today.htm  The article is several years old, but outlines the particular business which prefers immigrants (and why).  One wonders if the phenomenon is part and parcel of shipping US jobs overseas to save labor costs, only with an import version.  IMO grassroots America spoke out loud and clear on the amnesty approach and it will remain dead, despite some big business support.  The question becomes, now what?  Certainly it can be argued that existing immigration law should be enforced.  Indeed why has it
NOT since the Reagan illegal immigrant amnesty in the mid-eighties?  There are some powerful economic interests at play here and any solution is going to be
costly and agonizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The business/labor factor is summarized well here <a href="http://www.vdare.com/fulford/usa_today.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.vdare.com/fulford/usa_today.htm</a>  The article is several years old, but outlines the particular business which prefers immigrants (and why).  One wonders if the phenomenon is part and parcel of shipping US jobs overseas to save labor costs, only with an import version.  IMO grassroots America spoke out loud and clear on the amnesty approach and it will remain dead, despite some big business support.  The question becomes, now what?  Certainly it can be argued that existing immigration law should be enforced.  Indeed why has it<br />
NOT since the Reagan illegal immigrant amnesty in the mid-eighties?  There are some powerful economic interests at play here and any solution is going to be<br />
costly and agonizing.</p>
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